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July 31, 2003

The shape of righteousness

Filed under: Theology (other) — Camassia @ 9:24 am

In the comments to a recent post Rob threw out a topic for discussion: “Deuteronomy 28: 15-68 The God of Jesus?” He went on to explain:

I can’t get the verses from Deut. that I cited out of my head. I can’t reconcile the horror expressed in those lines to anything in the New Testament, or even in the Koran. Certainly, IMHO, this is not the God to whom Jesus prayed…

I haven’t read Deuteronomy and, frankly, as I slide toward vacation I don’t feel like starting now. But I kind of dealt with a similar problem back when I was blogging Exodus, where I got into an unusually acrimonious debate with Telford about God’s persecution of the Egyptians.

I don’t think I specifically addressed what the relation to Jesus could be, since I don’t think I have as strong an opinion about Jesus’ character as Rob does. Despite having a lot of great lines, Jesus doesn’t appear to me as the image of perfect goodness and holiness that he seems to be to most Christians. Nonetheless, there’s obviously enough there to keep me interested, and to make real the sort of problem that Rob brought up.

I don’t have an answer, but Mark’s recent post seemed to me to be thematically related. Mark was reacting to a recent discussion among Catholic bloggers about praying for one’s enemies, and noted a recurring phenomenon:

But I’ve noticed in this and in many recent issues that there is a tendency to throw up one’s hands in frustration and wonder if some revealed truth is now so distorted or taken so literally or not taken literally enough that we’re now in a kind of theological la-la land. I’m thinking of comments like:

Okay then, when could there ever be a just war!

So are you suggesting that somehow everyone is saved?

If that’s really what the pope said, then I’m jumping ship!

Or my favorite, something I ran across when I started reading blogs over a year ago, a post, I think on . . . well, let’s do a search on it since I think it had “neck” in it and I think it was over at relapsed catholic. . . Ah yes, here it is from April of 2002:

Jesus said that some evils could only be driven out by prayer and fasting.

Yup, God help me: I’m a pretty hard-hearted gal. So I can’t go along with some of my fellow Catholic bloggers, who support the U.S. Bishop’s church-wide Day of Reparation for sex abuse crimes.

The idea that “we are all guilty” is a trendy modern notion, but one I can’t square with the words of Christ. It would be better if a millstone were tied around his neck and he were thrown into the sea, he said about anyone who destroyed the innocence of a child.

Implicitly, someone has to stay dry. And do the tying. I’m delighted to volunteer. . .

This is a perfectly understandable opinion and it’s clever enough to have stuck in my head from so long ago. But I think most would agree that someone staying in the boat to do the tying of millstones on necks and then shoving the millstone laden folks overboard may not quite be the point of the Gospel passage. I don’t think the point is something like, “many are called, few are chosen, and some get to tie millstones around the necks of others.”

I had to smile at the last one because, even though Jesus is a murky figure to me and I profess little understanding of the Gospels, there are certain times when I think, “Wow, that reading is just wrong!”, indicating that I have more opinions than I think.

But anyway, I think we’re talking about a similar problem here. The conservative Catholics Mark addresses tend to be more concerned about insufficient punishment of the wicked, while Rob and I tend to be more put off by all the smiting and stoning in the Old Testament, but the issue is the same: sometimes God just seems to go against our internal moral compass.

Many people I know respond by saying that therefore, Christianity is wrong. Mark takes a the opposite tack, quoting an amusing line from M.D. Molinie:

We must accept the fact that one by one our poor little ideas are gently being splintered in the tender darkness of God.

In other words, we should conform to God, not vice versa.

I, as usual, feel somewhere in the middle. I am very attached to my internal moral compass. I am too familiar with the temptation to compromise. That was why one of the ironies of Bible blogging is that, while liberal secularists such as myself have a reputation for moral relativism and evangelical Christians are supposed to be moral absolutists, it was Telford who kept pleading with me to be more flexible, and me that kept refusing to budge.

On the other hand, I also know very well what Mark is talking about. I gather that many of the cradle Christians he refers to have to fight the assumption that what God believes, and what the subculture they grew up in believes, and their own internal morals are all the same, but I can make no such assumption about myself. Simply going on this quest goes against the grain of a lot of things I was brought up with. And more to the point, I recognize my own limitations. If I felt that my own will, feelings and attitudes were enough to guide me through life, I would not feel this lack, this “God-shaped hole.” I have followed them thus far, and they’ve gotten me somewhere but not really where I want to be. I know that something’s going to have to get splintered if I am to become more than I am, and that is the most appealing and the most frightening thing of all.

July 30, 2003

Wannabe psalmists

Filed under: Arts and entertainment — Camassia @ 8:15 am

The other day when I was listening to the radio I happened to hear two songs about the problem of evil in close succession: Depeche Mode’s Blasphemous Rumours and Train’s Calling All Angels. It got me to trying to remember if there are any other popular songs around on the P of E. Arrested Development’s Tennessee was a good one from 10 or 15 years ago, and there are a bunch of U2 songs but I don’t think any were radio singles (Peace On Earth, If God Will Send His Angels, Wake Up Dead Man). Certainly it’s not a radio-friendly subject, but obviously it’s not impossible …

July 28, 2003

Work and play

Filed under: Miscellaneous — Camassia @ 9:15 am

Yesterday I finally met up with Telford at church, and as I suspected he’s just been swamped with the move, along with a virus that’s decided to visit his family at an extremely inconvenient time. He said his limited writing time until mid-August is going to be taken up with his book, so no more historical Jesus stuff till then.

I don’t know exactly what his book is about, apart from being theological obviously. But he startled me a couple weeks ago by telling me that I’m in it, so he’s going to let me take a look at part of it before he sends it off. It’s funny, I’ve thought before that our emails, blogging and other discussion could be compiled into an interesting book someday, but I wasn’t expecting anything this soon! It will be fascinating to see what he’s done with it.

I’m going to be off the air for a while myself pretty soon. My mother is flying into town on Friday and we’re going to go sightseeing in L.A.’s near abroad (San Diego, Santa Barbara, SLO, etc.), so I don’t expect to be blogging for about 10 days after that. Up till then I will endeavor to bring as much bloggy goodness as I can, loyal readers.

July 26, 2003

Adventures in social science

Filed under: Politics and society — Camassia @ 9:11 am

There’s been a lot of laughing and snorting lately directed at a Berkeley study that purports to identify the personality traits that lead to political conservatism. Most of the response, such as from Telford, Josh Claybourn, or Julian Sanchez, has been to call it too silly to argue against. Jonah Goldberg in NRO makes an attempt, but his response amounts to, “Liberals are too, at least as much,” which he supports entirely with anecdotal evidence.

Goldberg has actually read the study (PDF file), which is a considerable improvement on the press release, which seems to be going out of its way to be condescending and provocative. An argument about the study between two actual psychologists appears here and here; Brett Marston also has a good response to Goldberg’s piece.

I looked over the study but it’s hard for me to form an opinion about it. It’s a meta-analysis — a study of previous studies — so it doesn’t go through the usual explanations of exactly who was studied, who the control group was, the measuring tools etc. But it does seem to me that a lot of the laughter and outrage coming from the rightward blogosphere comes from a couple of basic misconceptions about psychology, which I’ve run into more than once.

First of all, a lot of conservatives seem to be saying, “They think I’m sick in the head!” Goldberg asserts, “I have no doubt there is no shortage of psychological studies of murderers, rapists, people who think they’re Napoleon, and people who think Carrot Top is funny. But I suspect there’s very little data on people who like to have cereal and orange juice in the morning. Why? Because the former category of people are considered abnormal.” He goes on to darkly speculate that this is the first step to medicating all the righties.

But actually, psychologists study “normal” people all the time. When I was a psych student I took only one course in abnormal psychology — the others were called things like Social Psychology, Developmental Psychology, and Personality (which this study would fall under). This misconception arises, I think, from the confusion of psychology with psychotherapy. Obviously therapists are about treating illness, but psychologists are trying to get a more general understanding of how the mind works. Many studies I’ve seen — relating to things like how memories are formed and retrieved, how children learn to reason, what influences our buying decisions, and so on — have nothing to do with mental illness.

The psychological language here doesn’t help matters — when people hear themselves described as having a “need” for this or that, it sounds like they’re being diagnosed. But believe me, psychologists talk about everybody like that. In fact, I think the language is a lot of the problem here. Another common reaction to a study saying you have more of trait X than the average is to think it’s saying you have too much of trait X. But who’s saying what the correct amount is? If you reword some of these traits a bit, they don’t sound that different from what conservatives say about themselves.

For instance: are conservatives resistant to change? Goldberg points out that this is situational — which in fact the authors of the study point out too, saying their results might be different if they had results from Communist countries. But the concept of conservatism as a defense of tradition hardly seems controversial to me. The founding manifesto of Goldberg’s magazine had that famous line about standing athwart history crying, “Stop!” As Brett points out, when conservatives want change, it’s usually a change back to the way things were before.

Or take “dogmatism and intolerance of ambiguity.” Sounds bad, but especially since 9/11, I’ve been hearing a lot of conservatives favorably contrast their own moral clarity with the murky moral relativism of the left. Conservatives are willing to use words like good and evil, to call Islamo-fascism what it is, etc. In other words, if you think there’s too much ambiguity floating around, intolerance of it isn’t a bad thing.

Even the most negative-sounding trait, “fear and aggression,” depends on context. There’s nothing wrong with fear if you have something to be afraid of, and aggression can be justified under certain conditions. Someone who had none of either would be really weird, and probably dead. Back when I was at the Easter service at All Saints, listening to the priest talking about how Saddam Hussein could be dealt with by international law, I wondered if maybe a little more fear wasn’t in order.

Like I said, I’m not defending the study per se, I’m just warning against flying off the handle here. Psychologists have their own lingo, and it sounds goofy to outsiders. So do all disciplines. (Theology certainly does. I remember telling Telford that I don’t know what “creaturely freedom” is, but it would be a great name for a rock band.)

By the way, Dormouse Dreaming, one of the psychologists I linked above, also has a good post about that survey of Germans asking if they thought Bush could have been behind the 9/11 attacks. Those survey questions asking, “Is it possible that …” are one of my peeves, because it all depends on your definition of “possible.” What kind of probability does that mean? 70%? 50%? One-half of 1%? But of course, the results get translated to saying those people believe that absolutely …

July 25, 2003

The feline invasion

Filed under: Personal stuff — Camassia @ 1:59 pm

So, while I’ve been wasting time writing about God around here, I know what you’ve all really wanted to know is: What happened with the cat?

Well, he’s still hanging around, but it turns out he does belong to somebody. His name is Storm. A young woman in my building keeps him, along with a large black dog. Seeing as her apartment is probably the same size as mine, it’s no wonder Storm prefers to hang out at my place.

I might yet be acquiring a cat, though. Another beastie, a scrawny little black one, apparently figured out that there’s free food to be had in my place and has started coming around also. I try not to let them both in at the same time, since they don’t really get along. The black one really seems like a stray, it’s so skinny and nervous. It’s getting to trust me, but it used to skitter backwards whenever I’d walk towards it. I guess I should give it a name, but I still don’t know what gender it is.

Between the two of them, they’re keeping me busy. Someone at a message board I used to frequent had the handle Servant of Cats, and I know how she feels. Once they outnumber you, it’s all over …

July 24, 2003

Vote your conscience

Filed under: Politics and society — Camassia @ 3:51 pm

Florida will restore the voting rights of 125,000 felons.

I have to say, this business of permanently depriving convicts of the vote always bugged the crap out of me. If a law is unjust, or if the law is unjustly administered, disenfranchising the people most affected by it would be a great way to keep that from ever changing. I suppose people are worried about the converse: felons might vote themselves treatment that’s too lenient. But really, if lawbreakers should reach that critical a mass, it suggests that the social consensus isn’t behind certain laws anyway. Think Prohibition, or those recently overturned sodomy statutes.

One love

Filed under: Religion and sex — Camassia @ 10:54 am

I dropped out of the marriage discussion after a couple posts, but Lynn has gone on with a lot of interesting stuff, including a link to this roundup of pro-Christian-polygamy sites.

This reminds me that one question I’ve asked various people over the years, and have never gotten a good answer to, is when and why polygamy came to be banned in Christendom. I think one reason I don’t get a good answer is that most people have never wondered that; they think of monogamy as the norm. But anthropologists say something like 80% of the societies known in history have allowed polygyny (multiple wives for one husband), so I think it’s worth asking why our society became the biggest and most glaring exception. Especially since, apart from the Greeks and Romans, polygyny seems to have been widespread in Europe at one time.

In the link above, Al-Muhajabah says, “The famous Christian thinker Augustine of Hippo (354-430 CE) commented that polygyny had ‘recently’ been banned among Christians since it was not a Roman custom and Christianity was now to be the official religion of the Roman Empire.” I have heard elsewhere, however, that the Church didn’t get around to officially banning it until the eleventh century, when it got into the marriage business much more formally than it had been before.

It’s also interesting how, once polygyny did go out of style in Europe, it never seriously threatened to come back. Al-Muhajabah says Martin Luther advocated its return, but this seems to have had few takers. When Henry VIII split from the Church he wanted to annul his marriage to Katherine of Aragon, but he never hit on polygyny as perhaps the more obvious solution to his son problem. Although Jesus explicitly prohibited divorce but never said a word about polygyny, the latter has remained far more taboo among Christians than the former.

Al-Muhajabah’s links have a bit of info on this, but they have an obvious agenda. I would be interested in hearing more from other sources. Anyone know?

July 23, 2003

Day in, day out

Filed under: Miscellaneous — Camassia @ 3:39 pm

If anyone’s wondering what’s happened with the Jesus book, I still haven’t been able to communicate with Telford. I thought I’d see him at church on Sunday, but to my surprise I didn’t see him or his wife. No answer to email either. I expect that he’s just been sucked into that great vortex in the space-time continuum known as Moving, in which case I’m getting a severe I-told-you-so temptation, but I’ll put that aside for the moment.

I’m not going to have time to blog much today, since I have various overdue commitments of my own to fulfill. But I wanted to thank Dash for sending me a link to Real Live Preacher, the blog of a minister in some Protestant church (haven’t figured out the denomination). He’s been having comments issues rather similar to my own recently, and dealt with them much better than I did. His life story is also definitely worth a read.

July 22, 2003

Holy cow

Filed under: Miscellaneous — Camassia @ 2:18 pm

All my life I’ve been eating dairy products by Clover Stornetta. Since I grew up about 30 miles south of their headquarters in Sonoma County, they were the main dairy brand in the grocery stores. Here in L.A. they’re not as easy to find, but I’ve kept buying their line of organics because of my interest in humane farming.

I didn’t realize, though, exactly the nature of the farm the organic milk is coming from:

One of many programs offered by San Francisco-based St. Anthony Foundation, St. Anthony’s Farm is a residential drug and alcohol recovery program with a working organic dairy. As a Franciscan organization, it recognizes the inherent dignity of each person, and fosters relationships based on respect. St. Anthony’s works with people who are disenfranchised and marginalized to help them regain that dignity and respect for themselves.

So this isn’t just organic milk, it’s organic milk raised by drug addicts and Franciscan monks. Wow! I wonder if Peter knows any more about this?

July 21, 2003

So I’m not the only one

Filed under: Miscellaneous — Camassia @ 4:52 pm

It felt too dorky to ask this, but now that Eve has blazed the trail, I feel emboldened to ask: what the heck IS an RSS feed?

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