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August 31, 2003

Theirs was not to reason why

Filed under: Interfaith relations,Orthopraxis — Camassia @ 9:38 am

Captain Inertia has a nice post up about online debates between Christians and nonbelievers. He admonishes his fellow Christians to be better witnesses in those arguments, but he’s still kind of puzzled about why atheists come to argue in the first place and why they keep raising the same points over and over.

I don’t know for sure, and I’m sure it varies with the individual, but speaking from the other side of the fence I can offer my own observations. As to why people debate, at least part of it is that there are so few opportunities out there to discuss this stuff. We’re taught not to discuss politics and religion in polite company, a rule that tends to assume such conversations can never turn out well. Yet it seems like a natural human thing to want to talk about, so instead it gets pushed into impolite company.
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August 30, 2003

Oh … dear …

Filed under: Humor — Camassia @ 8:39 pm

Possible downside to joining a church: I could end up on these sorts of mailing lists.

(Via The Gutless Pacifist.)

August 28, 2003

Dreaming on

Filed under: Politics and society — Camassia @ 12:14 pm

Today is the 40th anniversary of Martin Luther King’s “I Have a Dream” speech. I don’t know what to add to the commentaries on it, except a bit of family lore.

For many years, I thought my mother marched in the March on Washington, where King gave the speech. Of course, I thought it was totally cool. But later when I mentioned it I learned that it was actually a different civil-rights march she was in, one protesting that church bombing that killed the four little girls. My mother lived in D.C. at the time, and this march was much more ad-hoc than the big March. “There was just a feeling you had to do something,” she recalled. “You had to get as many bodies out there as you could.”

I guess this is a good example of how family legends get started — you want to attach your forbears to those moments in history that everybody remembers. But I still think it’s very cool that she was part of that, especially since my mom is so not the protester type. Some people seem to be natural-born rabble-rousers itching to find a cause; but my mother, like much of my family, is introverted and cerebral, seeing the complications of every issue and loath to think in black and white. But at a moment that cried out for justice, she stood for justice. Go Mom!

August 27, 2003

Move over, Consumer Reports

Filed under: Church life — Camassia @ 5:31 pm

Peter Nixon found a site featuring entertaining reviews of church services from all over. One of Peter’s commenters said this report sounded sadly like a lot of Catholic churches in the Northeast; I don’t know about that but it certainly fit with my memories of Massachusettsans:

After seeing others with service leaflets, I asked an older gentleman where I could find one. “There’s only about 10,000 right there!” he snapped as he pointed to a small table in the corner of the entry hall and abruptly walked away.

Meanwhile, a report from Harvest Rock Church in Pasadena sounds awfully familiar. This bit coulda been CA, except I’ve never heard the band do Amazing Grace:

What musical instruments were played?
A seven-member rock band played for about 30 minutes at the beginning of the service. They performed a rock version of ‘Jesus Loves Me’, which I quite liked, then ‘Amazing Grace’ to the same tune as ‘Jesus Loves Me’, which I didn’t like at all. A man sitting close by said that the regular band was away at the retreat, and he thought this was the youth band playing. I said: ‘Someone should tell these kids that “Amazing Grace” needs no improvement!’ He smiled politely at me.

Did anything distract you?
Numbers were periodically flashed on the screen, and at first I thought these might be Bible references. However, my seat-mate later informed me that every child attending is given a number, and if they misbehave, their number is flashed to notify their parents.

Was the worship stiff-upper-lip, happy clappy, or what?
Woodstock with a cross around its neck.

August 26, 2003

New to the blogroll

Filed under: Miscellaneous — Camassia @ 1:56 pm

Welcome to the delightfully named Captain Inertia (which I always imagine in that Saturday-morning-cartoon voice: Captainnn Inertiaaa!) and Allen Brill, who’s given me lots to chew on this past week.

A question for my Lutheran readers

Filed under: Church life — Camassia @ 1:38 pm

Or for anybody else who knows this … I’m trying to figure out the differences between the Lutheran synods. I gather that the Missouri Synod is more conservative and the Evangelical more liberal, but where does the Wisconsin Evangelical one fit into this? And how do the different synods get along with each other?

A big enough umbrella

Filed under: Church life — Camassia @ 11:21 am

On Sunday I started my tour of local churches to see what looks promising. In addition to looking at the entertaining blurbs in the phone book, I also looked up as many as I could on the Internet. Unfortunately this confirmed my general impression that most churches are behind the curve on the Web thing — many had no sites at all, or very sketchy ones. One of the better ones was for St. Bede’s Episcopal, so that was what I kicked off the shopping with.

It was different from Christian Assembly, of course, but it was also quite different from All Saints, the other Episcopal church I’ve been to. It was a light, airy modern chapel, decorated with a few stained-glass windows. The altarpiece was a stained-glass image of Jesus standing with his arms outstretched, his robe a kind of phantasmagorical riot of colors blending into the sky behind him. (I liked this in contrast to the more typical altar images of Jesus crucified. Being reminded of his sacrifice is all very well, but it’s nice to see his risen self.)
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August 22, 2003

Hermeneutics … was that a jazz band?

Filed under: Theology (other) — Camassia @ 7:43 pm

Allen Brill responds to my last post on The Gutless Pacifist.

August 21, 2003

Who wants to be an Israelite?

Filed under: Church and state — Camassia @ 5:57 pm

I’ve been largely avoiding the foolishness with the Alabama judge and the Ten Commandments, but I read a couple posts today that got me thinking. One was from freespace, tallying up the damage the whole thing was doing. The other was from Allen Brill, who remarks:

What really puzzles me most is why Christians would want to go to the barricades over the Ten Commandments anyway. They are hardly the core of the faith. At least those folks in the end zones with their “John 3:16″ signs have a better understanding of what constitutes a Christian confession. I think the Establishment Clause as the Supreme Court has interpreted it reduces sectarian strife, and as we look around the world, that is surely a blessing. But if I am ever in a place where the protections of the Freedom to Exercise Clause are not in place, it is not the Ten Commandments for which I would be willing to go to the stake (or whatever). It is the Gospel of forgiveness and life, and it only, that is worth dying for.

He goes on to quote from Ephesians: “He has abolished the law with its commandments and ordinances, that he might create in himself one new humanity in place of the two, thus making peace.”

Now, I wouldn’t take this to mean we can merrily go breaking whatever commandments we wish; Jesus affirms most of them at various points. But it’s true that it’s weird for Christian fanatics to pick up on Mosaic laws, when it was made clear even in the Old Testament that those laws applied only to Jews. As Mark Kleiman pointed out, the rules that Yahweh laid on the whole world were the seven Noachide laws, which overlap somewhat with the Ten Commandments but are quite distinct. (Number 6, saying all nations should respect courts of justice, is something the renegade Moore should especially ponder.) In the Book of Acts, when the early church is sorting out the differences between Jewish and Gentile Christians, they essentially follow the Noachide guidelines.

Why the focus on the Ten Commandments? Well, no doubt one reason is their place in popular culture — Cecil B. DeMille didn’t make a movie called The Noachide Laws. But more to the point, people who adhere to that creepy confluence of fundamentalism and nationalism that Kynn Bartlett recently dubbed Christianism seem to think that they are the Jews of the Old Testament.

Consider Jerry Falwell’s infamous claim that 9/11 was the result of God’s “lifting the veil of protection” from America because he was displeased with our immorality. Now, there is some Biblical precedent for this; the OT tells of cases where God punished Israel’s unfaithfulness by letting its enemies conquer it. But Israel wasn’t just any nation; it was not only chosen by God, it was formed by God, with its government and laws made by his specific instructions. It was supposed to be “light of the world.” So when Israel messed up, God laid a beating on it.

The “Christianists” seem to be trying to form a similar narrative for the founding and history of America. I expect this informs Moore’s rhetoric about how this is a Christian nation founded on Christian values, and the Christian right’s contention that there’s a big “cover-up” going on of how devoutly religious the founding fathers actually were. The idea that America is the New Israel seems to have floated around for much of our history, and while I haven’t heard it said in so many words, a lot of people seem to believe it now.

I have complained before about how God in the OT seems to lump everybody by their national/ethic groupings, and reward and punish them en masse. But in his defense, in the New Testament he pretty clearly went out of that business. The parable of the Good Samaritan declared that your “neighbor” could include someone from an enemy camp. The first part of Allen’s Ephesians quote is Paul (a Jew) addressing the Gentiles: “For he is our peace; in his flesh he has made both groups into one and has broken down the dividing wall, that is, the hostility between us.”

So if God doesn’t care any more if you’re a Jew or not, it seems even less likely to me that he cares whether you’re an American or not. The New Israel is the church, not a political entity. As for the monument, I kind of like Peter’s idea:

Given Alabama’s fondness for the death penalty, it seems to be that what Christians really should be doing is bringing picks and hammbers to demolish the monument so that the Word of God would not be profaned by association with the state’s machinery of death. That would be an act of Christian witness worth getting excited about…

Window shopping

Filed under: Church life — Camassia @ 3:05 pm

Since one thing I feel I want in a church is that it be closer to me than my current one, I decided to look in the Yellow Pages to see what was in the neighborhood. Not surprisingly, there’s quite a variety of them, including some pure L.A. items a Krishna Consciousness center, something called “Positive Realism,” and something else called the “Spiritual Center for Positive Creative Living.”

On the Christian front, many churches have little blurbs to distinguish themselves from the rest. The Unitarian Universalists are up-front: “A Liberal Religion.” The Vineyard Christian Fellowship sounds like a clothing line: “Contemporary and Casual.” A Presbyterian church simply offers “A Caring Community.” The Community Bible Church of Culver City has a series of gerunds without objects: “A Church that Serves God By Proclaiming, Accepting, Celebrating, Equipping and Sending.”

But my favorite is this one:

ALL ROADS LEAD TO GOD
The one that leads to us is Overland Ave.

WESTSIDE UNITY CHURCH
“Getting there is half the fun”

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