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May 31, 2005

Salvation and fear

Filed under: Orthopraxis — Camassia @ 2:46 pm

Thanks for the good wishes sent my way. I have, apart from being sick, been very distracted lately, so I’m only now feeling up to catching up on the blog-reading and attempting a substantive post myself. I noticed Dwight P. (or Brother Dwight, as I perhaps should reciprocally call him), recently read a biography of Martin Luther and wondered if he’s still a Lutheran. In my yearlong fling with Lutheranism I didn’t read anything by him beyond the Augsburg Confession (which I wrote about here), so I don’t feel I have any authority on the man. But this line of Dwight’s struck me:

In short, I know that; I don’t have any problem believing (and relying on that). Why else would I come to Church. I don’t understand people who are fearful of their “salvation” — which I also recognize usually to be a misunderstanding of salvation (usually a personalistic, individualistic concern for where I will spend my own personal eternity).

Well, I do understand it. I mean, no matter how much of a communitarian you are, you still are stuck in your own consciousness for life, and perhaps forever, so I would think a bit of concern for your personal eternity is called for. And especially given the extremely graphic and detailed descriptions of hell that writers and artists were coming up with in Luther’s age, I would have a hard time understanding someone who wasn’t a bit worried both for themselves and others.

But of course, there is no doubt a difference of life experience between Dwight and me as well. If I remember correctly he’s been a Lutheran all his life, while I’ve mostly been an unbeliever. While lifelong Lutherans may see no reason to go to church other than that they believe in their salvation, I suspect a lot of unbelievers show up at least partly for the opposite reason: this nagging fear that maybe it’s all true, in which case they’re in trouble.

I was thinking along similar lines with his later paragraph:

Don’t, as a preacher, offer a barrage of “Jesus loves us” messages; that is not news — good or otherwise. Help me interpret the other 95% of the scriptures that deal with such things as how I spend my money, how I practice sex, what I do about impending wars — you know, the “secular” concerns.

I don’t know, I still have doubts that God loves me, so I wouldn’t regard such efforts as totally useless. Again, life experience is doubtless important here. My own Lutheran pastor, himself an adult convert, said he grew up with a very critical and demanding mother, and so the message of God’s grace was a real revelation to him. He also worked at the Campus Crusade for Christ with a number of Baptists who felt that being born again had made them better people, and he saw this as breeding arrogance. This also encouraged him to hew to the Lutheran attitude that the main point of it all is to know you’re forgiven.

Sometimes hearing him preach, though, I did feel the way Dwight does. He had what a fellow churchgoer accurately described as a classic pastor problem, in that he ran himself to the ground thinking and doing for others and had trouble being done for himself. For this reason, he could preach most emphatically against the evils of giving too much, apparently assuming that many others in church shared this problem. It made me think, look, this may be a problem in your life, but too much giving is not one of the major problems in the world today!

Nonetheless, I have found it to be true in my own life as well that there are devils to lure you down narrow paths as well as wide ones. Self-denial and self-mortification can, in an odd way, serve selfish ends as well as altruistic ones. I was thinking about this while reading a news feature today on the weird cult of “Ana.” It seems that for some girls anorexia has gone beyond the desire to please men or society and become a sort of intra-female bonding-cum-rebellion.

The article also reminded me of a discussion over at Hugo’s about how girls and women try slavishly to please others and so, Hugo thought, ought to think more about pleasing themselves. The idea that women give too much has become a standard in feminist circles. But I argued (not very successfully, as I recall) that the problem with the sort of behavior they were talking about wasn’t that it was too giving, but that the giving was ultimately self-interested. After all, why do women want to please men? A lot of the time, because they want something out of them — admiration, love, sex, commitment, or a combination of the above. These are not unreasonable things to want, and people should not have to starve themselves or whatever to get them. But they are wants for self, and as such the contortions that people go through to get them, however self-punishing, are not truly altruistic.

So I have a bit of a problem with the idea that the solution for people who do too much of this is to loosen up and accept a little self-indulgence. Such self-denial may be, in the Augustinian sense, a right impulse misdirected, so perhaps a better approach would be to find a suitable outlet for their discipline. Perhaps some of the Ana worshippers are nuns in waiting. Who knows?

I think Luther’s valuable contribution here was to remove the self-interest from good works. Doing good strictly in order to get yourself into heaven does not seem like what Jesus had in mind. So Luther said, look, you are already saved by faith, so that should not be your motivator. (Luther lived in a time and place where almost everyone believed in Jesus, so the opposite problem that we moderns have — how to view people who do good works but don’t have faith — would probably not have been an issue.) Yet self-protection for eternity, as Dwight puts it, is still ultimately about self. It’s one thing to know you’re saved just to get that concern out of the way. It’s another to go on rejoicing in it as if that were all that was required of you.

May 27, 2005

The fish migrate

Filed under: Miscellaneous — Camassia @ 2:32 pm

Vaughn and Nate have moved their fine blog Icthus to a new domain which finally agrees with the spelling of the blog title. (Now that we’re on the subject, what is the meaning of the name? Shouldn’t it be Ichthys? Or if you’re being modern, Ikhthis? Or am I missing something?) Yoder fans will be interested in Nate’s blogging of The Lamb’s War, parts one and two.

May 24, 2005

Bleah

Filed under: Miscellaneous — Camassia @ 11:16 am

Got sick again, this time with a bad cold. Posting will remain slow.

May 18, 2005

Postcards from beyond

Filed under: Theology (other) — Camassia @ 11:29 am

Hey all, sorry I’ve been uncommunicative. I really appreciate the nice comments on the last post. I just had a busy weekend and then I got sick, and I’m still kind of at half-speed here. If you want still more on the sex debate Rob has an interesting post here, and Hugo has one last go-round here. But lately I’ve been preoccupied with a totally different subject: the interpretation of visions.

I get them, see. Sort of. I don’t have anything clear like Paul getting knocked down on the road to Damascus and Jesus telling him exactly what’s up. It’s more a matter of really vivid dreams, feelings, mental images that won’t go away. They may be dismissable individually but after a lifetime they sort of make you look at everything differently than everyone else. But, coming as I do from a rationalist background that doesn’t have a place for those things, I’ve never known what to do with them. And even now I don’t know what to do with them.

Let me give an example of one that was especially straightforward and biblically correct (which they mostly aren’t). It was an extremely vivid dream I had about four years ago, before I started going to church or was even particularly interested in doing so. I dreamed I was Eve in exile, who was in turn asleep and dreaming about being in Eden. The image I particularly remember was of swimming in a river of clear, clear water, exploring with great interest everything under the surface. The fish were totally unafraid of me and clustered about me with equal interest. Everything was peaceful and there was no fear anywhere, not even the idea of fear. And then I woke up (as Eve, I mean; Camassia was still asleep) and remembered where I was, and felt the dull dead certainty that somehow I’d blown it, and lost everything.

How to interpret this dream? At the time I felt drawn to the amazing feeling of being in Eden, while at the same time thinking it couldn’t possibly have happened. Natural evil, and all that; fish were always afraid of people, for good reason. But of the various types of people I’ve met over the years, I can think of a number of possible responses:

– It was my neurons firing in sleep, that was all.

– A Freudian/Jungian interpretation would read it as symbolism for mundane things. Perhaps, with the water and everything, it was a desire to be in the peace and safety of the womb. Or maybe since I’d just recently moved to L.A. I was missing home.

– A fundamentalist might say I was getting a literal image of something that happened 6,000 years ago. Repent of your Darwinism, woman!

– I haven’t discussed it with the Mennonites, but I imagine they would say something like: the experience showed you the peace of Christ (symbolized by the fish?). That’s why we have to work for non-violent solutions to conflicts!

– Then there was Telford’s reaction when I told him about it a couple years ago. “Maybe it was the feeling of being in relationship with God. Think of walking with your Creator in the cool of the day! You know, like when you were twelve and had a crush on someone and you find out they like you back, and everything looks different somehow. Until a week later she dumps me, and–”

“I think I’m learning more about your love life than I want to know,” I interrupted.

Anyway, that’s more or less the evangelical view that makes it all about personal relationships. The Fall was about humanity falling out of relationship with God, and all that.

There might be some merit to any and all of those. But somehow, the equation of it all with various happy but familiar experiences all missing the crucial part, the dream’s complete otherness. My description of the physical details above doesn’t convey the feeling of the vision and how totally different it was from any other experience I remember. And that’s where words fail me. A while ago Jennifer posted an Easter message from Archbishop Williams:

But when they move on to the resurrection, the gospel writers change gear. They stop quoting the Old Testament. Instead of the tightly plotted, fast-moving detail of the passion stories, the impression is more fragmented and the time scale not always easy to decipher.

The women flee from the tomb, and then suddenly run into Jesus, according to Matthew. Luke tells us of an odd encounter on the road out of Jerusalem, when two friends of Jesus get into conversation with a stranger and recognise him as Jesus when he breaks bread with them.

John has the poignant story of Mary Magdalene, alone in tears at the deserted grave hearing her name spoken in a voice she knows. People hurry between the tomb and the city and the Galilean mountains, sharing baffling incidents, sometimes interrupted by Jesus inexplicably being there among them. Finally Jesus is seen no more; what is left is the fellowship of disciples trying to put it all into words.

When someone stumbles and searches for words, especially someone who is otherwise fluent and coherent, you may well conclude that something has happened for which their experience hasn’t prepared them.

It’s like that. And like I said, I picked this one because it’s one of the most coherent and recognizable things of this type that I’ve had. Others have been much weirder (and mostly much less pleasant). So I’m left with the question the Archbishop poses: “And what are you going to do about it?”

May 12, 2005

The Martian chronicles

Filed under: Politics and society,Religion and sex — Camassia @ 9:37 am

I think the most astute comment about the whole religion-and-sex debate came via email from my mother:

I interpret this latest debate as coming from the fact that you’re essentially standing on Mars, looking at the human species from a long distance. Most of your readers are looking at their own personal experiences of sex and stating what it does for them as individuals. …

I think your newest post closes with an excellent question that makes your point clear, but most people still want to tell the stories that they have developed about their own sexual behavior (I don’t mean this in a critical way; we all have to develop stories about what we do so we make sense to ourselves). As complex beings, we have complex feelings, behavior, and stories about sex.

Yeah. I’m from the sort of background that is accustomed to looking at people as if they were lab specimens — in fact, I think I first learned that from my mother! — but I realize that for most people that is very disquieting. At the same time, though, my whole foray into religion has arisen from the limitations of that sort of viewpoint. And I’ve been hanging around these pomo Christians long enough to know that I am not, in fact, a Martian, and my own subjective experience is no doubt influencing me as much as everybody else.

Which is a long way of leading up to the fact that although my opinion hasn’t really changed I’m not interested in fighting this battle endlessly. I never really meant for it to blow up this way in the first place, when I left the brief comment on Hugo’s blog. And you all seem to be having a good time chattering amongst yourselves, so carry on without me.

May 9, 2005

Sleeping with the enemy

Filed under: Politics and society,Religion and sex — Camassia @ 7:13 pm

So I dashed off a pretty snippy post Friday evening after a stressful day at work, went off to a very nice weekend of not thinking about the blog at all, and came back today thinking, “What have I done?” I’ve been visited by a whole bunch of the Hugo comment posse and I’m not going to have time to respond to them all today, or tomorrow either actually, so I’m afraid I’m going to have to put everybody off. (I only have a bit of time now because our office computer system just crashed.) But glancing over some of the comments it seems that I’m not adequately communicating what I’m trying to say, which is not very surprising since I’m kind of discovering what I’m trying to say as I’m trying to say it.

One thing I’m not saying is that, because the main purpose of sex is reproduction, the emotional and sensational aspects of it are therefore trivial. In fact I think that they’re very important, but they’re important because of their connection to reproduction. I am, in fact, not trying to pit the one against the other, but to argue that they’re organically connected.

It’s pretty common in our society to think that “sex is for reproduction” means taking a dry clinical approach to it. I remember some years ago someone wrote to Cecil Adams asking, “Do animals ever have sex just for fun?” To which Cecil replied, “Strictly speaking, animals always do it for fun.” It was an obvious answer, but I know why the question was asked: when we look at animals and see they’re mating in order to reproduce, it’s easy to think that they look at themselves the same way, and their sex is all business. But in fact, there’s abundant reason to believe that animals, especially ones with complex social lives like our own, experience sex subjectively much the same way we do, complete with affection, jealousy, turn-offs, and so on. (Nor are we the only animals who have nonprocreative sex.) And seeing as humans may have only really figured out the connection between sex and childbearing at the dawn of agriculture, reproduction went along quite well for humanity for quite a while on subjective emotions alone.

So, does all this really make a difference then? If it worked for the entire paleolithic, why can’t we keep going on instinct? Certainly a lot of people lump along fine that way, and really, I’d rather my parents had me because they found it emotionally fulfilling than that they thought it was their genetic destiny. But I think the reason this bothers me is that a lot of what passes for sexual liberation these days isn’t so much a freeing of primal instincts as an imposition of the conscious assumption that sex will not lead to reproduction unless we want it to. If you think about a hypothetical Stone Age society that didn’t understand conception, babies would have appeared more or less unpredictably at any time, so society had to be prepared to receive them at any time. Our own society is essentially the opposite: we assume we have control, so much of our environment is structured in such a way that the sudden arrival of a baby would range from massive disruption to disaster.

The number of unplanned pregnancies out there shows that our control is not really that perfect. But beyond the practical problems this causes, it also indicates to me that the reproductive system’s old agenda is still marching along, despite the fact that the conscious mind keeps thinking it’s in charge. And the reproductive system consists not just of the pelvic organs but large parts of the brain, without which the pelvic organs would never get used. The agenda is part of you, of course, but it’s not really in your interest as an individual, but as a link in a chain that began long before you and will continue long afterwards. Which is, I think, why people’s own sexual feelings and behavior keep surprising them.

So to get back to Hugo’s original topic, which is whether “genital expression” is permissible before marriage, it puts a question in my mind: is it really about expressing your feelings through your genitals, or are your genitals expressing their own mandate through your feelings? And is that mandate, for your life right now, friendly or hostile?

May 6, 2005

Why the @#$% do we @#%$? — part 2

Filed under: Politics and society,Religion and sex — Camassia @ 7:20 pm

Hugo is still not convinced:

I’m prepared to believe that heterosexual sexual intercourse cannot ever be fully separated from reproduction. But to say that all sex is essentially a variation on heterosexual coitus seems a huge stretch to me in a way that it doesn’t to you, apparently. Genital expression takes many forms, of which one is reproductive and most are not. To me, it seems to defy what we know about the immense diversity of the way in which people are sexual to say that all forms of sexual activity are imbued with reproductivity.

You know, this reminds me that one reason I don’t like the “genital expression” phrase is that it carries the distinct aroma of the Freudian hydraulic model of sex. Libido, in this model, is an amorphous drive that builds up within a person and must be expressed, or it will subverted to possibly bad things. There are many ways to express it. Procreative sex is one possible way, but it’s pretty much on par with the others. Hugo didn’t actually say all that, but that’s what I keep hearing in the word “expression”: the really important event here is that you’re uncorking yourself.

What’s wrong with this? Let’s start from the top. In order to have drives, feelings or experiences of any kind, first you have to exist. And you would not exist if it weren’t for a sex act. Not just any sex act, but that sex act. I suppose you’d say you owe your existence to God ultimately, but if he was ever really in the business of creating people from clay, he is no longer. He chooses to create people by way of a sex act. So since you can’t do or be anything without existing, it does not seem like a stretch to say that existence — i.e. reproduction — is the most important purpose of sex. Without existence, nothing else would matter.

I guess in today’s overcrowded world, bringing in new people may not seem very important or even desirable. But we were not created for an overcrowded world. And even now, all eight billion of us who live here are doomed to die. There’s only one thing that will keep humanity going from now till Judgment Day, and it ain’t a good blow job.

That’s why I can’t accept the idea that sex is somehow “bigger” than just procreation. What could be bigger, anyway? If God or evolution or whatever created a system where existence itself depends on a particular sex act, I’m taking that as a pretty big sign that that’s the reason sex exists. The fact that there are other ways to get off doesn’t mean that sex is therefore bigger than reproduction; it seems more likely that reproduction is actually big enough to encompass an awful lot.

I have more to say, and I’m still pondering the homosexuality issue, but I think I’ve done enough damage for one day.

Why the @%$# do we @#%$?

Filed under: Politics and society,Religion and sex — Camassia @ 8:10 am

I’ve been debating semantics with Hugo, and as is often the case when you start debating semantics, the conversation has expanded to rather larger subjects. The disputed phrase itself needs a certain amount of unpacking, but first I feel I should clarify my assertion that sex exists for reproduction. I know that claim has been used by others for a lot of weird logic, so it tends to get people’s hackles up.

I think it’s possible to say that sex performs a reproductive function for the species as a whole, without saying every single organ and act is reproductive. Hugo points out that the clitoris has no reproductive function, and on an individual level, he’s right. There are, after all, societies in Africa where women’s clitorises are chopped off and yet they manage to reproduce. But if women did not have clitorises and their accompanying orgasms, would there have been as much sex in human history, and as many of us now? Maybe not.(I’m reminded here of a Renaissance-era doctor’s assertion that if women didn’t have orgasms they’d never put up with the pains of childbirth.)

Or think of two hypothetical birds. They meet, do a mating dance, mate, build a nest, and raise chicks together. Not all of that behavior relates directly to conception, and I’m sure their little bird-brains aren’t actually thinking about conception. But we have no trouble saying it is all in the service of reproduction. Yet when it comes to ourselves, we are strangely reluctant to admit that our analogous behavior — dancing in nightclubs, having sex, marrying, buying a house together, etc. — is also in that service. The fact that it doesn’t always end up with children doesn’t undermine this. I’m sure the birds aren’t always fertile either. But it’s that sort of behavior that propagates the species, and if that were not so, we would not want to do it.

By the same token, I am perfectly happy to say that some people are born sterile or gay or asexual, and that there may be nothing wrong with this. I think this only disturbs the sex-is-for-reproduction thesis if you assume that God meant to create the world either in platonically regular forms, or without any pattern at all. But I do think, at risk of alienating some readers perhaps, that homosexuality is derived from heterosexuality, and not vice versa. A gay man who has sex goes through the same orgasm that usually inseminates a woman, and presumably enjoys it in the same way. Gay couples can only raise children that were heterosexually conceived. This is not to diminish their feelings for each other, but just to point out that their existence doesn’t remove the basic purpose of human sexuality.

What difference does all this make? I’m somewhat at variance here with both sides of the argument here as it’s usually presented, which is about whether sex and reproduction should be linked. From my point of view, they are linked. A bit of technological monkeying isn’t going to change us into a type of organism that’s never existed before, one for whom sex is not fundamentally about reproduction. The question is whether we’re going to deal with it in a reasonable way, or be in denial about it.

That does not mean it’s going to be reproductive in every particular case. But I think there’s a world of difference between a couple saying, we don’t want a baby now, but if one comes along we’re prepared to accept it, and a swinging single woman who’d greet a baby as enthusiastically as an invasion of Huns. Am I too optimistic in thinking that most people can make that distinction?

May 4, 2005

True love don’t wait!

Filed under: Politics and society — Camassia @ 1:33 pm

I’ve been thinking about a matter related to Hugo’s discussion of sexual matters with his youth group. I feel I’m no help in regards to the central issue, since I didn’t really understand teenagers even when I was one, so I can’t offer advice on how to talk to them. But this bit caught my attention:

I wonder: if I could have the “best” for them, the complete and utter best, if I could have them “hit the mark” directly, would I want them to wait to become sexually active until they were older? Yes, I would. Would I want them to wait until marriage? In all honesty, I’m not sure. Despite the fact that I have dear friends of mine today who did “wait” for marriage, my own background and life experience still tells me that for most people, that’s an impossibly lofty goal that isn’t even worth shooting for. I wonder if my theology of sex isn’t being informed by my own sense of frailty.

This is a kind of funny line coming from a pacifist, because that’s exactly how a lot of people would look at pacifism. Ideally it’s great, but it doesn’t have much to do with the real world, does it? Yet in the circles that Hugo and I run in (well, maybe I don’t right now, but historically speaking) pacifism is, if not the majority position, at least a respectable one, while opposing premarital sex is just kind of ridiculous. I remember in the movie The Brothers McMullen, the “good” brother — the straight-arrow, moral censorious, devoutly Catholic one — still had sex with his girlfriend (using a condom), since everyone knew that that Church teaching is too out-there to be taken seriously.

Premarital sex has always been with us, of course. According to Daniel Pool, in 1800 about a third of brides were pregnant on their wedding day. And, at various times in the past, prostitution has been a much bigger business than it is now. But what’s definitely new is the way premarital sex has become a ritualized part of courtship. A Washington Monthly article explains:

…there is currently only one broadly accepted rule of courtship: The Third Date is The Date (unless, of course, you’re a glued-together-at-the-knees Rules girl.) If either party declines sex on the Third Date, it’s a clear sign that the relationship is going nowhere. And if the Third Date culminates in sex, they’re officially a couple–or at least, the guy’s a real loser if he doesn’t ask the girl out again afterwards. (Sex before the Third Date is a signal that a) you believe in love at first sight; b) you’re a promiscuous floozy; or c) you think a, he thinks b.)

And if your coupledom is successful, you’ll move in together. And if that’s successful, then you think about getting married. I think it’s because people can’t imagine arriving at marriage any other way that the premarital-sex ban seems so weird.

The WM author takes a “conservative” position by asserting that people ought to take more time to get to know each other before having sex. But when I look at how people used to do things before premarital sex was normal, it wasn’t that the sex was slower but that the courtship was faster. While characters in Jane Austen novels don’t “date” per se, it seems like about the point in the relationship where a modern couple would have sex is the point where the Regency man would propose marriage. Which is by extension a proposal for sex, of course, but also for a lot more than that.

It’s tempting to think that the sex proposal was the important part, and only because the premarital-sex ban was in place were people in such a hurry to get hitched. But I’ve been wondering if it actually worked the other way around. I suspect, though I’d have to do more research on it, that courtship started lengthening before premarital sex became acceptable. In the 1954 movie Rear Window (gee, for a non-movie person I have a lot of movie references here), the middle-aged nurse wonders why the hero is dithering about marrying his girlfriend. She says something like, “In my day, two people looked at each other, they got excited, they got married. Now people do all this thinking and reasoning.” Nor does life in a modern society with freely available birth control seem to guarantee long courtships. James Ault reported that marriages in his 20th-century Massachusetts community also tended to be abrupt, even though most people he knew got married before converting.

Why the difference? Ault ties this to the separateness of the male and female spheres in that community. Men and women don’t expect to have much in common or form deep mental bonds, so “look at each other and get excited” is the main qualification for marriage. That’s surely a factor, but I think there are others.

For one thing, in close-knit communities like Austen’s and Ault’s, strangers are not really that strange. In modern urban life we tend to think of a person’s “true self” as abiding deep within his heart, so only by knowing him intimately do you really know him. But that assumption may be born of the fact that our public lives are largely anonymous and changeable. In a rural society, you can gather a lot of important information about a person through his reputation, family, financial situation, and social standing. Moreover, you’d expect those things to be stable throughout a person’s life. To pull another example from Austen, one part of Elizabeth’s falling in love with Darcy is seeing his estate (and hearing his housekeeper talk glowingly about him). It seems rather mercenary, and I suppose it is, but a man’s house was also a much bigger part of his identity in that society. It was his inheritance and responsibility, and Elizabeth would expect him (and herself) to remain there for the rest of his life. Nowadays you wouldn’t expect such stability; in fact, one reason for long courtships may well be the need to find out how the other person deals with change.

There are also a lot of things that a modern couple needs to find out if they have in common that, for premodern couples, were culturally determined. Matters like values and philosophy, who does what within the household, and how to raise the kids were largely settled before the courtship even started. People still disagreed about these things to some extent, but marriage generally seemed to be more a matter of fitting tab A into slot B than building something entirely from scratch.

Last but not least, in a society like that a person wouldn’t meet a lot of other people, and even fewer who were marriageable. People didn’t seem to spend a lot of time worrying if someone better will come along, and for good reason. I gather one reason for the lengthy modern courtship is that people want to give the hypothetical better person an adequate amount of time to show up, and to see if generally meeting other people while being attached to your mate is going to be peaceful or frustrating. It’s been noted by others that this itchy “something better is out there” feeling is a hallmark of capitalist society, because the market relies on it to keep selling people new products. I don’t know how much of the phenomenon I’m talking about is due to that and how much is due to the greater number of people one meets, but it may well be a factor.

So is there anything modern people can learn from all this? I do think it’s sensible for people today to want to know each other well before marriage, since we can’t rely on the same external clues that premodern folk did. I do think, though, that it might behoove us to pay a bit more attention to those external clues that exist. When I think about my past boyfriends, actually their families did indicate a lot about them, more than I wanted to admit really. Part of the myth of romance is the idea that when two hearts meet, those externalities and practical details don’t really matter. But given the number of couples who break up over them, I think they do!

Of course, the question that started all this was: does the knowledge people need to acquire about each other before marriage have to include sex? Certainly a lot of people feel they need to know if they’re sexually “compatible.” Something makes me uncomfortable about this idea of auditioning people in bed — as Lynn put it in a previous discussion of this, should I run a credit check on him while I’m at it? But more to the point, I agree with Lynn that people are too confident about the infallibility of birth control, and their infallibility in using it. It does not seem at all crazy to me to reserve the procreative act for situations where, even if you don’t actually want to get pregnant, getting pregnant is not an unthinkable disaster. And for those who are opposed to abortion, as Hugo is, that goes double. For most people, that situation would be marriage. (There do seem to be some subcultures where single motherhood is so ingrained that girls more or less expect to raise children in elephant-like matrilineal clans; but that’s a more complicated problem, and I doubt it includes Hugo’s teens.) One point I think Lynn really nails in this post is how pregnancy is a different sort of risk than STDs, where the risk is fairly straightforward injury to yourself. Pregnancy instead sets off a chain of consequences and further decisions, affecting a number of people and, indeed, future generations. So while it may be acceptable for me to just block out of my mind the fact that I can get killed whenever I climb into my car, I don’t think this is a good way of dealing with the risks of sex.

I don’t think, however, that the extreme circumspection about sex that we see in Austen novels is a good idea in the modern world. People need to think about it and talk about it. Which, I guess, is obvious, given the length of this post!

Dipping a toe in the Tiber

Filed under: Ecclesiology — Camassia @ 10:16 am

Episcopal priest A.K.M. Adam has been pondering his next move given the near-inevitable split between the ECUSA and the Anglican Communion. What I wasn’t expecting was option #4:

I could look into the Anglican-Use/Rite Roman Catholic body. In that case, I’d be removing myself from the distinctly Anglican tradition altogether, which would make me feel queasy and upset my wife horribly (don’t worry, Margaret, I’m just talking through the alternatives), but would with a stroke resolve tons of problems about doctrine and polity. In that case, I’d be dissenting from a broad array of magisterial teachings disciplinary rubrics, but I’d be doing so in which the ground rules for obedience and dissent were at least quite clear.

The homosexuality dispute has led a number of Anglicans to contemplate “swimming the Tiber” (e.g. Rusty Reno), but Fr. Adam is the first person I’ve seen contemplating it from the liberal side of the issue. I guess my only point in raising this is that the infinite variations of Christians and their priorities still surprises me. I suppose it shouldn’t, but it still does.

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