The puzzling thing, for me, about threads like this one is the set of men who show up in the comments to insist that of course jerks get laid more, any guy can see it; it’s just sort of self-evidently true that women really, really like jerks, can’t give the time of day to men who are nice to them, and, in fact, rather than suggesting that women might be attracted to anything other than jerkiness, we should all get about the business of explaining just why women give jerks all the sex and all the evolutionary reward.
The whole “women just like bad boys” meme actually seems to be quite common among a certain set of men, which is weird, because it bears, you know, no resemblance at all to the world I see around me. It’s not just that I don’t think I like and reward jerks - that could be self-serving - it’s that I don’t see other women particularly favoring jerks over nicer men (save a very few whose pickers are broken - just as a few men have broken pickers), that I don’t see married men (who’ve obviously landed someone) being systematically more obnoxious than unmarried men, and that among the men who’ve complained to me about women not paying them suitable attention, there have been about as many jerks as genuinely nice guys. So where do men get the idea that jerks get all the women? I’ll throw out a few guesses.
1) It’s an illusion.
a) Self-serving reassurance: Spend some time in a discussion group for infertile women (as I have), and you’re sure to hear, at some point, about how ever so much better mothers we will be, if ever we have children, than those who have them easily. If you’re going to lose out on something you really, really want, it’s some comfort to tell yourself you’re at least especially deserving of getting it. And darn it, when you do get it, you’ll appreciate what you’ve got, and do better by those kids than all those other mothers. Similar deal, maybe, with guys who are losing out in the dating game; of course you’re losing out just because you’re so gosh darn nice.
b) We’re all jerks or fools when we’re young: Well, maybe not. But we all have short term relationships when we’re young, in which we either break someone’s heart or get our hearts broken. And some people’s ideas of how the world works get set in high school. Maybe the “women like jerks” meme comes from listening to very young women and girls complain about their various heartbreaks, while you’re not getting to date them? While, from the woman’s side, the story would usually be not, I keep getting drawn to jerks, but “I made a few mistakes when I was younger and learned from them”?
2) “The race is not to the swift, or the battle to the strong”: I think part of the problem may be a certain kind of advice we all get sometimes, both men and women. You know the kind. The kind where someone’s wondering how to do better with the appropriate sex and gets advised, basically, to just be nice, be honest, be yourself, be a good and decent person, and all will be well. This is, of course, a load of crap.
Sometimes it gets spelled out in more detail, as women, for example, write advice for men on what women really want, telling a lot of things women do indeed want - to be respected and treated well in various ways - but not, you know, necessarily things that will make a woman hot for you. And any fool can see that a non-trivial set of men get laid who don’t do these things, while a non-trivial set of men never get laid who do these things. The reason is that a lot of things women find attractive (like a lot of things men find attractive) are more or less orthogonal to a man’s character. Being good looking may help you, but it doesn’t mean you’re nicer. Being rich may help you, but it also doesn’t mean you’re nicer. Neither of those things automatically makes you a bad person, but they don’t make you a saint, either. Maybe the whole “why do women fall for jerks” question springs from the fact that a person’s deeper character (for both men and women) is often irrelevant to whether they’re found attractive. Not a disadvantage, but not the advantage it’s supposed to be, if all the well-meaning folks who tell you to just be genuine and treat women well were right.
3) Maybe sometimes the “women like jerks” observation is an overgeneralization of something more specific?
a) Men who ask for casual sex only, get it after they try enough women: Take the study which inspired this particular thread (and the earlier one at Echidne’s place, and others elsewhere).
Jonason and his colleagues subjected 200 college students to personality tests designed to rank them for each of the dark triad traits. They also asked about their attitudes to sexual relationships and about their sex lives, including how many partners they’d had and whether they were seeking brief affairs.
The study found that those who scored higher on the dark triad personality traits tended to have more partners and more desire for short-term relationships, Jonason reported at the Human Behavior and Evolution Society meeting in Kyoto, Japan, earlier this month….
Part of the “dark triad” was deceitfulness, which, as both Jill and Phila have pointed out, calls into question the reported number of partners - perhaps men who are deceitful lie more about how many partners they’ve had, and, being men rather than women, are more likely to boost that number up than pare it down. But let’s take the study at face value, and assume the men are reporting correctly. What it shows, apparently, is that men who express a greater desire for short term relationships have more short term relationships. (And, not too surprisingly, men who are more thrill seeking in general also want a higher number of short term relationships.) In this sense, “jerks” get laid, well, not with greater frequency (since the guy in a steady relationship may well be having more actual sex), but with more women, anyway. So, maybe “jerks get all the women” really means “guys who don’t care about a long term relationship approach more women, and therefore sleep with more” (even if most of the women they approach reject them).
b) “Alpha” men: It’s often said that women prefer “alpha” men. This isn’t, of course, anywhere near universally true - it’s not hard to hear from women who announce a preference for shy geeks, and have a series of boy friends who match that preference. (For that matter, in other species as well, “beta” males sometimes slip through and mate with the females while the would be “alphas” are battling for their favor.)
Still, to the extent that it’s true (often enough, I supposed), what does it mean? “Alpha” means successful, dominant, a leader of men, right? The guy who makes more money, the guy who gets picked to lead a group, the guy who gets deferred to.
He’s not, necessarily, the guy who’s a “jerk” in the sense of being particularly mean or nasty - there are successful guys in leadership positions who are generous and kind (as well as ones who are indeed jerks). He’s not, necessarily, the guy who’s going to be domineering in one on one situations in the household. He’ll probably speak up clearly enough about what he wants - but there are guys who are “betas” among other men who are bossy or controlling to “their” women, and there are guys who are more “alphas” who prefer to pick women who are strong enough to be their equals. If a woman prefers a man who’s successful and confident, she may wind up with a jerk, but she does have some non-jerky selections available. Still, however otherwise nice or nasty he may be, if the guy’s an “alpha,” he’s at least somewhat more dominant towards other men than the non-alpha. Which may make him more of a “jerk” in the eyes of the guy over whom he’s dominant than he is in the eyes of the woman observing.
c) Confidence: Sort of related to the “alpha male” thing. If men are expected to make the first move, the men who get laid will be those who make the first move. And can bring themselves to make the first move over, and over, and over again, because nearly any man is going to get rejected. This doesn’t necessarily require that you’re a jerk in any way - there are cheerful extroverts who can keep making the first move and also be decent people - but it probably contributes to that “race is not to the swift” thing where being nice, all by itself, may not buy you much.
d) Cheaters: Well, cheating’s a matter of both character and opportunity, right? I mean, I tend to think that, if you want to get laid and aren’t too picky, you can almost always get laid, but men keep telling me that no, I’m wrong, that’s a woman’s way of looking at things, I can always get laid, because, you know, I’m a woman, but they can’t. Well, if I grant your premise guys, then men who are attractive to women may or may not cheat, depending on their moral fiber*, but men who are unattractive to women, well, they’re sure not going to cheat much. If this is so, that may answer your question about why women keep falling for men who cheat on them. It’s not that women prefer men who are liable to be unfaithful; it’s that whoever the men are that women prefer, for whatever reason, they’ll get more opportunity, if they’re that kind, to promise fidelity and then find a bit on the side.
e) “Bad boys”: Some women do profess an attraction to “bad boys.” Rarely does “bad boy” actually seem to mean “jerk,” here; as far as I can tell, women who say that they like bad boys mean that they like a touch of rebellion, a bit of adventure, not that they like guys to be mean to them. Some men, too, like adventurous and rebellious women, and no one suggests that this is a self-defeating desire on their part. Then, too, there are the “bad boys” that women like in fantasy only - the Heathcliffs, who make great novels but whom you likely wouldn’t want in your bed in real life. And, finally, there are a set of women - much smaller from what I can tell than the ones who either want to read about Heathcliff or want to ride with their guy on a motorcycle - who actually do have pickers that are broken, and want to play rescuer and savior to men they’d do well to avoid. Somehow, these categories get smushed together, and guys talk as if every woman who likes any sort of mischief at all in her man is out to rescue serial killers or something.
4) About that “evolutionary benefit” to being a jerk: Let’s revisit that study again. At the moment, it’s still under review by the Journal of Research in Personality; I don’t know how it will fare in the peer review process, nor do I know the reputation of that particular journal. But let’s, for the moment, take the researcher’s claims at face value. I quote from his web page.
Adaptive individual differences: Traditionally, evolutionary psychology has focused on species-typical adaptations. Personality psychology, in contrast, has focused on individual differences. When these two are combined they are called evolutionary personality psychology. This type of evolutionary approach is considered to be the most challenging. In this case, instead, of traits being by-products or neutral, personality traits are reflections of underlying social strategies. My research in this area focuses mainly on the Dark Triad (narcissism, psychopathy, & Machiavellianism). I have already established that the Dark Triad facilitates short-term mating in men. I am pursuing the nature of this personality cluster beyond mating to general life strategies like risk-taking and credit card debt as well as to topics such mate-poaching and mate-guarding. While these personality traits are often thought of as maladaptive, in the colloquial sense, they appear to also be adaptive in the evolutionary sense. Clearly they cannot be all bad. Perhaps the best example of the cluster is James Bond, a male icon, a “dark hero.”.
Now let’s jump back to that article about this man’s study.
James Bond epitomises this set of traits, Jonason says. “He’s clearly disagreeable, very extroverted and likes trying new things - killing people, new women.” Just as Bond seduces woman after woman, people with dark triad traits may be more successful with a quantity-style or shotgun approach to reproduction, even if they don’t stick around for parenting. “The strategy seems to have worked. We still have these traits,” Jonason says.
So, Jonason is saying that having the “dark triad” of traits is adaptive, by allowing you to sleep with lots of women. Nice guys always lose, right? Wrong. Wrong even in the terms of what this study is saying. “Adaptive” means that the trait is being proposed to have some evolutionary advantage. Other, very different, traits may have their own evolutionary advantages. Compare, for example, this article by William Saletan reporting on a theory as to how a gene for male homosexuality may be adaptive.
… First, male homosexuality occurs at a low but stable frequency in a wide range of societies. Second, the female relatives of gay men produce children at a higher rate than other women do. Third, among these female relatives, those related to the gay man’s mother produce children at a higher rate than do those related to his father. Fourth, among the man’s male relatives, homosexuality is more common in those related to his mother than in those related to his father.
Can genes account for these patterns? To find out, the authors posit several possible mechanisms and compute their effects over time. They conclude that only one theory fits the data. The theory is called “sexually antagonistic selection.” It holds that a gene can be reproductively harmful to one sex as long as it’s helpful to the other….
As Saletan points out, “Sexually antagonistic selection is self-limiting” and isn’t going to spread to the whole male population. The gene would, hypothetically, be adaptive, in the sense that it provides someone enough of a reproductive advantage to continue to exist - but only as long as some other genes are producing sufficient heterosexual men to keep the enterprise going.
So, “adaptive” doesn’t mean “more adaptive than anything else.” If Jonason is right, and “dark triad” traits provide some adaptive advantage, other traits may be providing other sorts of adaptive advantages. Maybe James Bond has a greater desire to sleep with lots of women, therefore does, and so eventually (in the absence of birth control) would have kids by more of them than Joe Schmoe. But Joe Schmoe, as a more devoted family man, may be giving his kids a better start in life. Under some circumstances, James Bond wins the breeding race (although the fact that so many of his lovers die violently does cut his odds some, and the others are fools if they’re not using really good birth control). Under others, Joe Schmoe wins. Even if Jonason’s study could be shown to be thoroughly convincing (and his students all honest in their self-reported number of partners), “darn it, you women are breeding all the qualities you want out of existence by sleeping only with jerks” is an interpretation more petulant than rational.
* UPDATE: Hmm, on reflection, maybe I should use a different word from “moral fiber” here, since it sounds as if I’m dividing the world into good and bad people, with cheating the sole measure of their character. And, people have lots of other ways of behaving well or ill. But my point remains; cheating is both something men can choose not to do, even in the face of opportunity (men aren’t really “dogs” who “think only with the little head”), and something people aren’t likely to do so much of if they have less opportunity to do it.